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Family: DE MONTHERMER Ralph/PLANTAGENET Joan (F5189)

m. Jan 1297


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  • Father | Male
    DE MONTHERMER Ralph, 1st Baron Monthermer

    Born  Abt 1270   
    Died  5 Apr 1325   
    Buried     
    Married  Jan 1297   
    Father   
    Mother   

    Mother | Female
    PLANTAGENET Joan, Of Acre

    Born  Apr 1272  Akko, , Hazafon, Israel Find all individuals with events at this location
    Died  23 Apr 1307  Clare Castle, Clare, , Suffolk, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Buried     
    Other Spouse  DE CLARE Gilbert, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertford | F5190 
    Married  30 Apr 1290  Westminster Abbey, London, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Father  PLANTAGENET Edward "Longshanks", I, King Of England | F2976 Group Sheet 
    Mother  Eleanor, Of Castile | F2976 Group Sheet 

  • Notes  Married:
    • Joan had been a widow for only a little over a year when she caught the eye of Ralph de Monthermer, a squire in Joan's father's household. Joan fell in love and convinced her father to have Monthermer knighted. It was unheard of in European royalty for a noble lady to even converse with a man who had not won or acquired importance in the household. However, in January 1297 Joan secretly married Ralph de Monthermer, 1st Baron Monthermer. Joan's father was already planning another marriage for Joan to Amadeus V, Count of Savoy, to occur 16 March 1297. Joan was in a dangerous predicament, as she was already married, unbeknownst to her father.

      Joan sent her four young children to their grandfather, in hopes that their sweetness would win Edward's favor, but her plan did not work. The king soon discovered his daughter's intentions, but not yet aware that she had already committed to them, he seized Joan's lands and continued to arrange her marriage to Amadeus of Savoy. Soon after the seizure of her lands, Joan told her father of that she had married Monthermer. The king was enraged and retaliated by immediately imprisoning Monthermer at Bristol Castle. The people of the land had differing opinions on the princess' matter. It has been argued that the ones who were most upset were those who wanted Joan's hand in marriage.

      With regard to the matter, Joan famously said, "It is not considered ignominious, nor disgraceful for a great earl to take a poor and mean woman to wife; neither, on the other hand, is it worthy of blame, or too difficult a thing for a countess to promote to honor a gallant youth." Joan's statement in addition to a possibly obvious pregnancy seemed to soften Edward's attitude towards the situation. Joan's first child by Monthermer was born in October 1297; by the summer of 1297, when the marriage was revealed to Edward I, Joan's condition would certainly have been apparent, and would have convinced Edward that he had no choice but to recognize his daughter's marriage. Edward I eventually relented for the sake of his daughter and released Monthermer from prison in August 1297. Monthermer paid homage 2 August, and being granted the titles of Earl of Gloucester and Earl of Herford, he rose to favor with the King during Joan's lifetime.